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Apr 08 2008

Stop this twin-clutch madness now

John McIlroy

I stole Autocar’s current Mitsubishi Lancer Evo X last night, keen to see how a performance icon has managed the transfer to a completely new model after, well, increasingly frayed incarnations from VII to IX.

Did I enjoy it? Yes and no. Many of the traditional Evo strengths are still present: incredible turn-in, great balance and traction, the constant belief that the transmission is one step (slip?) ahead of you. Oh yes, and the fact that there’s no torque whatsoever beneath 2000rpm (well, I still find it charming, anyway). And it’s quick, of course; once the whoosh sets in you get a terrific prod in your kidneys.

But (didn’t you know there was a ‘but’ coming?) at the heart of the latest Evo is the Twin Clutch SST gearbox, yet another take on the ‘semi-auto’ theme with steering wheel-mounted paddles and a press release boasting of previously unimaginable shift times. The irony of this is not lost on me, because a few years ago, Mitsubishi released an automatic version of the Evo VII. And we laughed.

Now, though, it seems that a more sophisticated slusher is the centrepiece of the model. So can I make a plea? Manufacturers (yes, that means you, Mitsubishi, Audi and Ford), can we establish once and for all that DSG/Speedshift/SST gearboxes – twin-clutchers – are not as rewarding to use as a stick? I drove the Evo for a good couple of hours and only once, once, did I really feel involved in what was going on.

The rest of the journey was spent either in the wrong ‘gear’ or waiting while the SST gearbox appeared to ride not one clutch, but two.

There is hope, of course; Mitsubishi has said that in preparation for the car’s use in rallying (the sport that spawned it in the first place, after all) a five-speed manual Evo X will be made available. In the meantime, I’d like a VI Tommi Mäkinen Edition, please, with Ralliart  sidestripes, white wheels and a proper stick between the front two seats. In my view it’s never been bettered.

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About John McIlroy

Used to report on the WRC for Autosport magazine; jumped to Autocar in '05. Career high? Driving McRae's Ford Focus WRC. Career low? Crashing McRae's Ford Focus WRC.

Comments

reha April 8, 2008 7:46 PM

"Stop this twin-clutch madness now"?

stop talking nonsense now. please.

if you have nothing sensible to say about a vehicle, you might as well say nothing.

drray April 8, 2008 10:46 PM

It's good to hear someone standing up for the good old manual transmission!

Having previously owned a golf GTI with DSG, I know exactly what you mean...the  fact I ultimately preferred driving my wife's manual diesel to the GTI told me it was time to move on.

Ultimately all the twin clutch systems are "automatic"; there's something much more satisfying about a full-tilt manual upshift done properly than going "click" on a wheel -mounted paddle, even if the paddle is quicker.

Race cars of all types are about shaving tenths off times; most of us buy our own for enjoyment on road, track or wherever, and the involvement of a manual is a big part of that.

Definitely more manuals, please!

Peter Nunn April 9, 2008 10:16 AM

Mitsubishi does offer a plain and simple, fairly agricultural 5-speed manual on the new Evo in Japan.

It's no work of art, however, and chosen specifically because it's tougher than the 6-speed on Evo IX, and thus better suited for motorsport. But it does feel very dated now compared to the Twin Clutch SST.

You're absolutely right about the Evo VI Tommi Makinen, meantime. Even the Evo engineers here in Japan say that's still the best of the best

Straff April 9, 2008 4:10 PM

You're getting very old Mr McIlroy...

Surely you know today's young, hip and trendy can't wait half a second for a manual shift? Neither can they see why cars can't be driven using a PlayStation hand control.

I can lay my hands on a nice Austin A30 with a crash box, no heater and optional wipers if that's any good?

giulivo72 April 11, 2008 8:59 AM

Quote from drray:

"most of us buy our own for enjoyment on road, track or wherever, and the involvement of a manual is a big part of that"

Oooh, and I thought most of us bought a car to get quickly, conveniently, safely, comfortably and economically from A to B (and C, D....). So I must be an exception instead. And so are the one million people who have bought a DSG to date, and those who have awarded it prizes for innovation.

It's good, then, that you warn Porsche, BMW, Fiat, Mitsubishi, who are all wasting their good money on developing dual clutch (or direct shift) gearboxes.

Your call for "more manuals" is just nonsense. The overwhelming majority of cars available are manuals, only a minority are available as autos, and that minority is (luckily) growing thanks also to the availability of DSG. I am sure you don't need to look hard for an alternative to the Mitsubishi. Is it that difficult to allow others to choose and buy something different than you would?

John McIlroy April 12, 2008 9:58 AM

I'm not objecting to the technology involved; what I do object to is the marketing speel selling these units as systems which are just as involving as a manual 'box but much quicker-shifting...

bad_roo April 18, 2008 4:16 PM

"Now, though, it seems that a more sophisticated slusher is the centrepiece of the model. "

Sorry John, not letting you get away with that howler! Slusher=slushbox=torque converter. Something that an auto gearbox features but which a twin clutch manual signally lacks. ;)

meshman April 25, 2008 1:32 PM

Conventional torque convertor auto boxes are heavy, expensive and inefficient. Manual boxes are a chore even with a good quality gear change and clutch, but are at least efficient. Robotised manual is best of both. Once you have been changing gear with a switch - there is no going back to waggling a stick. And you can use your left foot for braking. DSG? Robotised manual under driver control answers criticisms of DSGs. I won't buy anything else. More RMGs please, especially on real world cars, ie those built for road not Ring.

Peter Cavellini June 2, 2008 12:43 PM

Hay! reha- give the man a chance!- have you driven it yet?, are you a road tester for a top weekly car mag.....?! nuff said i think- he does what most of us would give our grannies teeth for- testing some of the best cars and some of the worst cars on the road today. Maybe Reha you could get some garage to lend you an EVO and you could post your opinion for all of us to read- how about it?

sierra June 2, 2008 8:51 PM

Stop this manual gear change madness now.

It's quite clear if that all current cars were automatics, and somebody then invented a manual box today, there is no way it would be allowed on safety grounds. We now have self-activating lights, wipers, mirrors to reduce the times it is necessary to remove one hand from the steering wheel.

Peter Cavellini June 3, 2008 11:31 AM

having not driven new twin clutch systems yet i'm not in the position to comment,but if its quicker fine but are they durable?.I have heard that if it breaks whether new or used the cost for the replacement box might be depending on the age of the car, could be more than the cars worth!

reha June 9, 2008 8:29 PM

@Peter Cavellini  

it would have been necessary to respond to your extremely smart comments ("wanna say something on borat? first go get in one of those swim-suits and walk out on the street"), if giulivo72 had not already given the suitable answer.

Peter Cavellini June 27, 2008 6:27 PM

HEY REEEHAA!

All i'm saying is don't put salt on your food before tasting it,its try befire you buy for all of us,you would'nt go out and buy one on a mans word who you just met would you.I'M SORRY IF I OFFENDED YOU ,but please taste your food first (sorry for the metaphor- i like using them?)  

chrisso July 8, 2008 12:45 PM

not sure what all the fuss is about.  Driven a few VWs with DSG and 99% of the time it was left in Drive.  Most noticeable thing was that each one came with a slightly different issue - hesitant take-off from rest, clunks/jerks at low speed etc.

Clever technology but might as well just buy an auto.

chrisso July 8, 2008 12:45 PM

not sure what all the fuss is about.  Driven a few VWs with DSG and 99% of the time it was left in Drive.  Most noticeable thing was that each one came with a slightly different issue - hesitant take-off from rest, clunks/jerks at low speed etc.

Clever technology but might as well just buy an auto.

chrisso July 8, 2008 12:46 PM

not sure what all the fuss is about.  Driven a few VWs with DSG and 99% of the time it was left in Drive.  Most noticeable thing was that each one came with a slightly different issue - hesitant take-off from rest, clunks/jerks at low speed etc.

Clever technology but might as well just buy an auto.

chrisso July 8, 2008 12:46 PM

not sure what all the fuss is about.  Driven a few VWs with DSG and 99% of the time it was left in Drive.  Most noticeable thing was that each one came with a slightly different issue - hesitant take-off from rest, clunks/jerks at low speed etc.

Clever technology but might as well just buy an auto.

hurricaneone July 23, 2008 12:25 PM

Chrisso, it was great once - four times and it gets a bit tedious.

I tried the SST and liked it a lot, much better than some other similar offering. I think it comes down to different strokes, folks, but Mitsu should offer a manual with the same car, just to cover all the bases.

FORPAWS August 24, 2008 6:43 PM

PURELY AS A MATTER OF  INTEREST................. WE HAVE TWO  MITSIBSHI SPACE WAGGONS  WITH    2.4  GDI       PETROLS   FITTED  TO THEIR  4 SPEED AUTO BOX,,,,,,,,,,, A FINER COMBINATION OF  POWER  /// TRANSMISSION UNITS WOULD BE DIFFICULT TO FIND  ..

stevied September 19, 2008 4:50 PM

This is quite an interesting objection to he recent influx of DSG models. I've been living in Japan for nearly ten years and have owned two cars here - a Toyota Celica (auto - sorry!) and now a Subaru Legacy B4 RSK (unavailable for the domestic UK market). After the Celica I decided I wanted to go back to "good old manual", to be a "real" driver. Harder here because auto is the norm for everything...

I really wanted a Legacy, and was searching for a manual - but during my research I realised that all the B4 RSKs (ie. up until 2002ish, when "RSK" model stopped) had the facility to switch the gear lever across into a "manual" gate to shift up and down, also with steering-wheel buttons. Suddenly this seemed like a great compromise. When I finally got my hands on one last year, I was not disappointed. Although the "manual" mode is only 4-speed, it gives just enough driver satisfaction when needed for overtaking, etc. With a twin-turbo engine, and 280 bhp, even the normal auto mode  is quite torquey, but it is good to switch to "manual" now and again just to feel like I'm not "cheating" and letting the car do all the work!

To be honest, I wouldn't go back now, I think. If you have a car that has some oomph, I reckon the DSG is the way to go.

The interesting thing for me is that my Legacy is ten years old...so I was intrigued when all these DSG models came out in Europe suddenly.

Why go back to manual? Hard work for limited returns (especially if you are driving in the town).

tommallett October 2, 2008 12:10 PM

I have to agree with mr McIlroy, although the sst gearbox is a bad example as it is (in my opinion) a poor version of the venerable double clutch gearbox.

I just do not find it satisfying to drive cars with DSG, they take some involvement out of the car. More so thean a F1 style box which still makes you think about driving. They are not even that smooth in my opinion, when pulling off the line they are not great and i find the way the revs change so suddenly when changing gear not entirely pleasant.

Personally, the criticisms of the lp560 gearbox are for me a plus point as it still allows the right foot to have some influence on the gear change. In turn this allows one to derive pleasure at a lower speed than in a GTR. This can only be a good thing on public roads.

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