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Apr 22 2008

The seven-seat itch

James Ruppert

I think that I’m about to do something rather distasteful and quite painful. No, I won’t be joining Sir Max for one of his weekly dungeon sessions – this is far worse. You see, I’ve come to the conclusion that I have to go out and buy myself a seven-seater. My actual circumstances haven’t changed – Mrs. R isn’t in the family way again – but for all kinds of reasons my clan needs a minibus.

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On principle, I won’t get a full-sized version – I don’t want to look like I’ve started a child-minding service. I did seriously consider an XC90 on the grounds that it only looks like an evil off-roader, and not the devil-spawn that is a XXL seven-seat people-carrier, which would do my social reputation far more damage. But perhaps fortunately, even the earliest and shabbiest versions of the big Ovlov fall well outside by budget.

So I’m thinking compact: Zafira, Megane Scenic or Touran. And before I get too excited with thoughts of a fire-spitting Zafira GSI turbo with a 300bhp chip in the ECU – whatever I end up with has to have an automatic gearbox. Oh, joy.

All this has put me into a quandary that I’m sure will be familiar to many of you with multi-car families. With something new (or newish) arriving, something else has to go. On the Ruppert rotation basis that means my E34 BMW 5-series is for the chop, meaning that – to obey the first rule of Bangernomics – I have to drive the second-in-line Saab 9000 until it blows up.

The problem is that, in the back of my head, I’ve decided that I really want a Rover 800 Coupe before they all get thrown away. And I haven’t given up on a Porsche 944 yet, either. I mean, now we’re going to have a gross surplus at seats at one end of the garage, why can’t I cut back a bit on doors and chairs elsewhere? A Caterham would be a hoot, wouldn’t it? And if I get one in bits I’ll even have an excuse to live in the garage for a few months while I screw it together.

So there you go, I’m in deep trouble and any suggestions – wise or stupid – are welcome as a distraction from the impending doom of an MPV purchase.

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About James Ruppert

Used to sell BMWs, but he's no yuppie; has a '64 Mini Cooper in his garage and a '57 BSA Bantam in his house. Has bought and sold hundreds of used cars, and he isn't finished yet.

Comments

dombri April 22, 2008 1:52 PM

James

Your trouble is deep - and I have only half the solution.  Surely, a Honda Stream 2.0 auto will carry the clan, stave off the worst damage to social reputation and handle none too shabbily.  

It will, however, undermine the rotational element of Bangernomics by never going wrong in any way.  You must therefore introduce the Rover in order to ensure the continued completeness of the principle.

Regards

Dom

Douglas Jardine April 22, 2008 2:23 PM

I had same dilemma last year with  Large 16 & 13 Year old and others to accomodate

Scenic – had 3 of the 5 seaters in the past  but dismissed as the back seats in 7 seater were a joke

Touran – very dark inside Pillar box view out

Mazda – well made but narrow seats

Smax – it’s a big heavy car and did not like front seat position (my well padded rear)

Citreon – amazing gimmicks but no true manual diesel

Zafira – now own 150cdti Design have had 75year olds! Sitting in rearmost seats no problem

Old adage try them all before you buy what suits me may not suit others

TheStig April 22, 2008 4:17 PM

Here's an idea. Why buy an MPV, when you can have two cars that do not do any damage to your social reputation? To keep with Bangernomics, keep your old 5-series and buy the Rover 800 Coupe - altogether you would get 9 seats and double the pleasure (e.g. take turns for driving the two cars while on a trip to Wales or somewhere).

I know the running costs may be a little higher than having just one car, but it is no worse than spending this money on repairing a third banger, is it?

James Ruppert April 22, 2008 5:42 PM

Sensational ideas gentleman and excellent left field stuff too from Stig....Bangernomics is dear to my heart Dom and I thought I was the only person who knew what Stream was and I did look at some dealer warranted stuff that was truly awful and not worth the money, so I am in the high mileage envelope....I will keep you posted. Incidentally Douglas Mrs R drove a Zafira and really ripped into the quality and performance like a good 'un...

JJBoxster April 22, 2008 5:43 PM

James, surprised you didn't mention the Ford S-Max which is the clear leader in this group to my mind. If not the new C-Max!

I don't suppose suggesting a Lotus Elise and putting the family on public transport would go down too well!!

James Ruppert April 22, 2008 8:41 PM

Hello JJ, 7 seats are needed and as great as the Smaxster is to drive and that it may still be more than i want to spend and not posh enough for Mrs R....things are happening I may be bidding on stuff as I type.

Team Sparky April 22, 2008 8:54 PM

JR - resist the vans at all cost and invest in a classic E-Class estate with the optional 'dickey' seats at the back for the little ones - or a V70 with the same. I would've gone for a Stream otherwise - vtec fun for ever and ever......couple of mugen badges and your street cred is seriously restored!!

James Ruppert April 22, 2008 11:37 PM

Dear Team Sparky you are reading my mind as I follow one of those on the world's favorite auction website, I pointed one of these out to Mrs R late last year when all 7 seats were occupied and she was intrigued, I may well buy this one for myself...otherwise I am also tracking a V70 late shape version too on auction site..but I would prefer to see it in the metal..I will keep you posted...J

racy_jase April 23, 2008 1:44 AM

Hey james, another left field one here! you get the 944 or 800 coupe to feed the bangernomics adiction and you get the wifey a fiat multipla! wee have one for sale if your interested? lol jase

jerry99 April 23, 2008 11:00 AM

Looked at some dealer used MPVs myself a few months back.

When I compared the prices with 2.0 litre estate cars they did not make sense. I decided to make do with an estate and my long departed Passat's child bench in the boot.

Why is is with so many MPVs around the prices stay so high? Are there people buying MPVs who do not really need the seven seats?

Dave679 April 23, 2008 3:49 PM

We own a 7 Seater that few have heard of a Hyundai Trajet 2.0Tdi.

Yes its a full size 7 seater but if you need the seats you probably need to

carry some luggage too!

We needed it cos we have two sets of identical twin boys!!!

Its a great MPV and my wife uses it for her daily commute too.

This is comfortable on the motor ways and has good spec including air con.

Ours has now done 52K and has not missed a beat.

Don't be put off by the badge, none of the others come with a 5 year

warrranty from new and second hand ones shouldn't be too expensive.

Dave

James Ruppert April 23, 2008 4:37 PM

Great suggestions again gents, and yes MPVs do seem to keep their value to a fairly huge extent when actually a cheaper estate would do. Multipla is a nice idea but 7 seats needed...Hyundais I like a lot and they seem to be bullet proof, but Mrs R is even more of a snob than I am!

podster April 23, 2008 8:18 PM

I think the desire for seven seaters is a consequence of child seat regulations. Whereas when I was young, my parents would happily sit me in the back of a van, nowadays, little menaces have to be contained in their own car seats. And putting three of them side by side in a normal car is a right fiddly pain in the bottom. So you need an extra row of seats

Sibbo April 23, 2008 11:23 PM

Imagine the surprise when no 3 little menace turned out to be twins. The Ovlov XC90 was too small (yes its true), and the mutt was in the roofbox. It (the Ovlov not the mutt) was chopped in for a VW Caravelle which is suitably capacious for 7 (6 human and the mutt) and a visitor in comfort (apart from the ride on the ironically named 'sport' suspension) and to be recommended. However my neighbour added to the humiliation of dealing with the 'commercial vehicles' desk at the VW dealer by asking if I would run his family to the airport for money.

James Ruppert April 24, 2008 10:17 AM

Ahh bench seats and Morris Oxfords how we all piled in, in those days, Caravelle is a fine vehicle but rather too van like for us, but loved the airport run story...On the nation's favourite auction site I went mad and bit £4500 to make me laugh on a new shape V70, but was outbid to my eternal relief. I still can't buy unseen unless it is someone I trust describing it to me....J

ColinS May 8, 2008 10:54 AM

I can sympathise though the upside is that the second car must be more practical. Our main car is a Honda FRV (on which the residuals look strong as per other comments) as having the in-laws in the car for family trips is preferable to having them follow us at 50mph, plus we can go out for bike rides without needing a roof rack.

I'd take your own advice from Autocar last week and dig out a nice pre 2001 coupe. I sold my £2k 2001 Mondeo for a profit and bought a nice 97 328 Coupe for £2K instead, problem is it's too nice to sell so I'll have to wait before I move onto my other targets - Celica, Prelude, Accord Coupe.

I'd guess a Zafira is probably the best bet, in 2.2l  guise if you can find one.

ColinS May 8, 2008 10:55 AM

Oops meant second car less practical. Saab cab is also nice cheap option for the summer

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