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Mar 06 2008

Lancia: who's convinced?

Hilton Holloway

The new Delta is an eye-catching beast in the flesh. It's a curious hybrid of the old long-roofed Lancia Beta HPE sports hatch and an imaginary medium-size version of the Rover 75. But the Rover comparison is apt. 

Lancia has been on the rocks for over two decades. Last year it sold around 125,000 cars, relying on the home market and a continental taste for the ritzy Lancia Ypsilon supermini. Lancia's current design strategy, like that of Rover, could be looking for a
market for which little evidence exists. While the Rover 75 was a clever re-think of the hackneyed 'gentleman's club', the Lancia strategy is for the "relaxed, convivial atmosphere of an elegantly casual lounge."

So the idea of the traditional St James' gentleman's club interior has morphed into a vodka bar or a celebrity haunt such as Soho House, but it amounts to much the same thing.

Attempts, however, to sell space and interior ambience under a non-premium brand has never been more than moderately successful, if not a complete dead end. Think of the Rover 75 itself, the Renault Modus, Renault Vel Satis and Lancia's own Thesis executive car.

Worse still, Lancia is probably better known around the world as the maker of the Delta Integrale, a car that has lived on for the younger generations in the virtual world. Sure, the new Delta is very eye catching and stands out in the metal. And the interior space is impressive. But is it a Lancia as most of us would understand the brand? And who's really convinced by sophistication as measured by chrome, leg room and subtle interior tones?

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About Hilton Holloway

Has two product design degrees and used to design mountain bikes. Realised that cars were a lot more interesting in 1990, and has been writing about them ever since.

Comments

ou701 March 7, 2008 1:45 AM

   The real problem, I believe, is that the Alfa Romeo brand is too close to Lancia and this messes with their heads. The history of "real" Lancia's is loaded with technically advanced, sporting saloons, coupes and the occasional sports car - the same as Alfa. So, when they try to differentiate the marques, they end up producing oddball Lancia models that have no relevance to the history of the name. I think they should drop this policy and position Lancia slightly above Alfa and below Maserati. They must be sporty, with exceptional handling, be distinctive, elegant, well equipped and priced slightly above Alfa. A 3 series- sized, 4 door saloon/coupe ( like the MB CLS, but smaller) would be a good start.

Dan Stevens March 7, 2008 10:21 AM

Partially agree with you about positioning Lancia above Alfa and below Maserati, but the Delta looks like its going to offer standout design and packaging as an alternative to cars like the Audi A3 - it should work in that class.

It looks wierd in pictures but works much better in the metal; I really liked the matt black roof and pillars. Imagine seeing one of these in Sainsbury's car park in among all the Golfs and Avensises (Avensi?). They could do with making he cabin a little less Fiat-like though…

John McIlroy March 7, 2008 12:01 PM

Can't wait to see one in the flesh myself; I think it looks wierd and wacky - exactly how a Lancia should be, in other words...

Higgie March 7, 2008 12:47 PM

Lancia and Alfa can exist together with Maserati.

Lancia should aim at Mercedes as Q-cars, cars with sports pedigree but hidden under a luxury, engineered look.

Alfa should continue its push towards BMW as more sports orientated.

Maserati should top end this and become a jaguar competitor, especially as Ferrari is 'coming down' with its cars.

How about these models

Mercedes        Lancia

A                     'Delta'   3dr hatch

C                     'Lybra'  Premium platform

E                     Thesis   169 platform

S                     ???? (Based on Maserati Quattroporte)

CLC               ???        Facelifted Alfa GT

CLE                ???       4 dr coupe on premium platform

CLK                 ???      2dr copue/conv. on premium

CLS                 ???      4dr coupe on 169 platform

CL                   ???      2dr coupe on Maserati GT

SLK                   Fulvia  2dr roadster on bravo

SL                     Flamina    2dr roadster on Alfa 8C

B                    Delta    as current

R                      ??      

GLK                ???     use Suzuki Grand Vitara

ML               ????

GL                  ????

BMW            Alfa

1 series        149 3dr/5dr hatch + 2dr coupe (new GT)

3 series        159 sal/est/2dr coupe (Brera)

5 series        169  sal/est

6 series        Maserati GT

7 series        Maserati Quattroporte

X1                Kamal (based on Grand Vitara)

X3                  ???

X5                  ???

Lots more could be done

jerry99 March 7, 2008 3:02 PM

Not sure what Lancia can do.

They used to make better sports saloons than BMW mainly because of their unique light and longitudinal engines producing fine handling with minimal front wheel drive fight.

Now they are obliged to use Fiat group powertrains, the ubiquitous transverse installations and it is unacceptable to dial in enough oversteer with rear suspension setup what can they offer to their customers?

A better sorted Saab competitor is about the limit but that is a small market.

toby2449 March 7, 2008 7:52 PM

erm i can't see the point of comparing Lancia with Rover, the new Delta looks like a fantastic motor, the Ypsilon sales are up year on year since 2005, the Musa outsells Fiat's Idea, and although its 3 years old had its best year in 2007. Lancia had its best year in europe since 2001, selling 122000 cars, not bad when they have such a limited range, & up until very recently got little investment from Fiat Auto as the then boss Deiter Hemel  wanted to shut lancia down.

Rover on the other hand sold outdated rubbish at too high a price!

toby2449 March 7, 2008 7:56 PM

BTW i'm off to Geneva on Tuesday, can't wait to see the Delta in the flesh

JimNiceCars March 8, 2008 10:18 PM

Sorry but I think the comparison of this Delta (a new totally direction in Lancia strategy for the future) with Rover75 is really wrong: I understand If You want compare tha last old Lancia Lybra and that way with Rover, but not this Delta!

This Selta really start to change all in Lancia market and people for the future, so different respect Rover or old/actual Lancia Thesis/Lybra and part of Ypsilon/Musa: Delta is finally dinamic, younger, a new mix of personality and modern design, the exact opposite of Rover (and Lybra/Thesis) strategy.

Clear, the real big problem for Lancia from almost 20 years is called AlfaRomeo inside same group, Alfa power managers in Fiat really destroyed all what Lancia was build in decades before in sport and dinamic cars for get his space in market  to attempt space to fight german premium cars, without any result.

Now the true question is: Lancia get a true free space inside Fiat without Alfa decisions against Lancia? Lancia with this Delta can return to make sport and younger cars to fight german cars? We don't know, anyway this Delta is a nice begin to a different way to the future, an yet, the return in Uk and many other countries another nice news, I hope Fiat understand then Lancia is the brand to make investments for this, not Alfa then has another image, not for fight german cars.

James Read March 9, 2008 8:33 PM

My God that looks ugly ! No thanks !

TUK March 10, 2008 12:16 AM

Your comparison with Rover may have been valid 5 or 10 years ago but no longer. The problem with Rover id tht it stuck with one concept and never really moved on with it's product line. You can see that Lancia is trying to innovate even though it means doing this through re-use of Fiat platforms.

It's not just left field thinkers who appreciate Lancias - as with many products there is a strong demand for that something extra, and this is what Lancia offers. A little bit more style, design, technology, space, quality of materials etc. etc. That's why the Musa outsells the Fiat Idea on which it is based, the same car but with tangible differences that make it a more attractive product.

Many people are trying to pigeon hole the brand, but if you look back into the history of the marque, you will see that it's range of products was anything but capable of categorisation. From formula one cars, rally cars, Granturismos, superminis, limousines, Lancia did it all. I don't see the Delta as defining the brand, and I wouldn't be surprised if the next Lancia model introduces another element of diversity and different thinking. New Fulvia anyone?

Higgie March 10, 2008 2:41 PM

If you check out wikipedia, you will see the original Lancias were gracious sports cars.

This is where they should be just like I said attacking Mercedes.

I remeber on a rival site mention of a new Flamina based on the Maser/alfa 8C

This is what they should be doing and the Delta is the start of producing a car that could relaunch lancia as a premium brand.

comment8 March 12, 2008 11:10 AM

I think that Lancia deserve some success with the new Delta. There is evidently a market for a car that does not have the brashness (BMW) or bling (Mercedes), just ask Audi  - understated interiors, iffy handling. Perhaps Lancia is aiming for the Audiesque BMW shy owners who would not consider an Alfa either. Lancia would surely given their fabulous heritage have a more credible claim to premium status than Audi who started their modern re-incarnation with the 50 and still remain the purveyors of Vanden Plas'd Skodas before any one mentions Fiat.  

graleman March 23, 2008 2:42 PM

Lancia back in the 60's produced V4 engines that produced power that was nearly unheard of. Cars that handled brilliantly, and continued this trend in rallying with the all conquering Delta. The Stratos was so quick that Fiat asked the Lancia teams to slow down on the rally stages, so the then new 131 Abarth could win!!

Here, Fiat SPA has a chance to really shake the top companies up. They need to be independent to Fiat UK, as they are pretty useless at franchising.

To compare the new Delta to an old Rover/BMW design, is lazy journalism. Like comparing the new Fiat 500 with a Mini Metro!! Where are the links????????

I hope it drives as well as i think it will. The range of Deltas is good with a real scorcher producing over 220 bhp as the flagship. Welcome back Lancia!!

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