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Jul 07 2008

Why nobody wants your car

James Ruppert

Anybody trying to sell a car at the moment will be likely to tell you that it would be easier to make a last-minute selection to represent the country at the Olympic games.

The overcast economic climate and sky-high fuel prices have conspired together put the market into slow motion, and anything that can’t get near the magic 50mpg barrier might as well be superglued to your driveway.

Of course, there is a solution: part-ex your existing clunker against a new motor. Only, as people are noticing, the depressed state of the market means that dealers are similarly reluctant to find themselves landed with your old wheels are are offering the smallest amount they think they can possibly get away with.

That’s what car dealers do, of course: make money. As otherwise they will be making a guest appearance in the Bankruptcy Court. Good dealers will be perfectly honest and say that they don’t want your shed – sell it yourself and come back clutching a sheaf of twenties and then start talking.

Indeed, if a trader shows too much interest in your motor then start to worry because it must be worth considerably more than he’s offering you to somebody else. Some of the best deals I ever did involved reselling a part-ex for retail money, making a tidy profit at both ends of the deal.

Of course, in the 21st century there’s a web-based alternative. No, not listing your car on eBay motors – although who can resist the opportunity to read through a passionate, if mis-spelled 800 word description of a 1994 Ford Fiesta – rather websites that offer to help you turn your motor into ready cash.

There are several of these, and I don’t feel like giving any of them the oxygen of publicity – but they all have names on a theme of “www.wereallywillbuyyourshed.com”.

Basically they portray themselves as charitable institutions that will roll up at your gaff like an eager private punter and pay top whack for your motor. Or not, as the case will almost certainly be – they are car traders too, motivated by the same profit motive that keeps the rest of the tank swimming. And comparing the online quote that entering your car’s details earns you to the value you’ll find in the back of a £3.99 price guide will reveal just how keen the motive is.

The truth is that, unless you’re trying to get out of a year-old Mini or Fiat 500 that nobody really wants your old car. Dealers would rather keep their money in the pockets of their sheepskin coats – and anyone coming from the private market needs to sell their old motor before they can buy yours.

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About James Ruppert

Used to sell BMWs, but he's no yuppie; has a '64 Mini Cooper in his garage and a '57 BSA Bantam in his house. Has bought and sold hundreds of used cars, and he isn't finished yet.

Comments

Beowolf July 7, 2008 7:04 PM

Ah well, isn't that all good news for buyers at the moment...?  And '57 BSA Bantam.  Were you wondering around s. london in the last week or so?  Am sure I spotted a 50s/60s BSA and was pleasently surprised.

julianphillips July 8, 2008 8:25 AM

I think the dealers need to chuck out their CAP and Glass's Guides and adjust their selling prices too.  I've been looking for a car for my wife, and am interested in something vaguely interesting in the 3yr/30k lower medium bracket; but the stuff that is fetching absolute peanuts at auction (80% CAP or Glass's) is being ridiculously marked-up at dealership and not selling.  I thought I could easily pick up a bargain lowish-spec ex-fleet C4 or Alfa 147 but there's nothing around at sensible prices from the main dealers.  The only thing that is reasonably priced to sell seems to be ex-Motability 1.6 petrol Focuses and Astras.  Or so I thought until I decided to look into the Mazda 3 which, despite being a great car in my view, seems to be massively underpriced compared with like-for-like Focus/Astra models.

Cheerio July 8, 2008 9:43 AM

So what to do? You have a planet killing seven seat petrol engined estate car from new, something with a bit of poke to keep your declining testosterone from entirely disappearing,  It seemed such a rational choice barely three years ago. You are paying tax for the privilege 'till your nose bleeds (and justly so for being such a disgusting specimen of the middle class family man).

If no-one wants it now, will they ever want it again?

It seems the options are to cut and run now, losing a bunch of money,  or drive on until an extortionately priced minor part fails rendering it scrap, again losing a bunch of money.

Problems can become opportunities. I refuse to be bullied into rattan sandals as a transport solution.

So, if anyone wants a 245BHP family cruiser for a song, you are welcome to it. I'm going to bag myself a nice old 911 for early Sunday mornings. I always promised myself one. The kids can cycle, that should balance out my carbon footprint.  Bah humbug.

James Read July 8, 2008 10:46 AM

So James, are the auction houses full of cars that dealers can not shift ? Is someone with cash going to get a really incredible deal at auction at the moment ?

phenergn July 8, 2008 10:59 AM

Every cloud has a silver lining, and for the private buyer/seller looking to upgrade this is no exception.

If I was looking to ditch my car for a newer or flashier model I'd have to price it very aggressively to get it to sell, and probably have my arm twisted off by my pride-and-joys next owner. But in return I'll be able to twist the arm off the person trying to sell me my next car. And because my next car is newer & flashier than my old one, i'll be able to push him even harder and get an even better deal.

Unfortunately this is of no comfort to the dealers out there, who won't be getting the neccessary quantity of trade.

NAK July 8, 2008 11:00 AM

Things will move if the price is right. I just sold my 03 V70 SE (140) Patrol, 23 mpg, 7 seats and 68k miles with little difficulty. It was a clean and straight car and by advertising it for £2k less than similar cars at dealers it shifted quite easily. What made this worthwhile was the 23% discount I got off a new Galaxy for buying straight. It hadn't even been sitting around as it had just left the factory when I bought. While the person who bought my car got a great deal, do did I and the price to change was all I could have hoped for. Galaxy is great my the way, roomy, great ride, fast enough and considerably less thirsty than the Volvo. The Volvo was more comfortable though.

wormus July 8, 2008 6:13 PM

It all becomes much easier when you stop worrying about it and use it as an opportunity to buy the car you've always wanted. I traded in a (frankly rubbish) Alfa 159 diesel for a Vauxhall Monaro. Since then I've spent a fortune by adding a sports exhaust and supercharger so it goes and sounds like it looks. I don't care that I cannot really afford it, it drinks fuel and I'll never get my money back because it makes me laugh every time I drive it. I plan to enjoy it for as long as the Government lets me and when it gets too expensive I'll buy a knackered diesel Astra and run it on chip fat.

thatharley July 8, 2008 9:24 PM

Its all about price and condition, how many times has a main dealer glanced out the window at your pride and joy, woke a trader friend up at 10.30am and made a pathatic offer. I walk away get about 20% more selling privatly and go to the auctions. Easily sold our two old Shoguns for going price, and purchased a one owner immaculate X5 for £500 more than main dealer offered ?

Kee Law July 8, 2008 11:02 PM

Mate of mine sold his highly economical and insurance friendly Evo VIII MR FR 320 the other day.  Made about £1.5k over list by going private.  Specialist machinary like this will always have a home with enthusiasts, as wormus points out.  Makes me regret going for a sensible car now as I'll lose a fortune on it :(

James Ruppert July 9, 2008 10:19 AM

Hello Lads, was away yesterday and pleased to find that this is a point of interest for us all. I do think there are bargains around and the situation can only get better for bargain hunters and I agree about getting something interesting that you can enjoy at the weekends. At the moment it is the softer targets that are losing value and 911s are quite down amongst the bargain bins quite yet. Specialist vehicles will do better whereas a Saab, or big old Lexus is going to drop like a stone.

On the BSA Bantam point, not me in South London, but if anyone has a complete 125cc D1 engine, I'm interested...

Beowolf July 12, 2008 7:08 PM

'.....On the BSA Bantam point, not me in South London, but if anyone has a complete 125cc D1 engine, I'm interested...'

Sorry, can't help.  But got me intrigued.  E-bay has some gaskets and engine covers, but even a worldwide was unfruitful.  However there was a complete '49 bike there, which actually looks quite good.

cgi.ebay.co.uk/1949-BSA-BANTAM-MODEL-D1-125cc_W0QQitemZ370060931438QQihZ024QQcategoryZ36092QQcmdZViewItem    

It looks so incredibly slim in one of the pics.  Very cute.  

Realone July 14, 2008 10:54 AM

......I for one am doing my bit for the environment running a V8 88' Rangie on LPG getting about 15mpg at 52p/ltr.

The wife wont tolerate 'bangernomics' and is looking to replace her TD5 with a Dicovery 3 which has lost more value in the last 6 months than the TD5's worth!

So why should anyone looking to trade up be in any hurry?

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