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Jun 12 2008

Lancia: must try harder

Matt Saunders

There’s a reason why the interior of a Volkswagen Passat feels so different to that of the Audi A4.

080604_L_Delta_24 VW Group understands that, to make punters pay big for premium products, it has to effectively separate them from its more mainstream offerings. And however many bits the Audi and VW share under the surface, you’d be hard pressed to find a single shared component in the cabin.

The management of the Fiat Group will be reminded of these home truths when reviews of the Lancia Delta begin to land.

Having just got back from driving it, I can honestly say that I’m gutted that it isn’t the car I hoped it would be. There’s no sugar-coating this; it just isn’t good enough. It isn’t refined enough; it isn’t sufficiently well appointed or finished. Frankly, it’s just too closely related to a Fiat Bravo to even justify comparison with a Volvo V50, let alone an Audi A3 Sportback.

And don’t think I’m expecting too much of the new Delta, either. I appreciate that it would be unreasonable to expect this car to be as upmarket as a Lexus IS, or a Mercedes CLC, because these days there are premium products and ‘premium products’.

I’d have been happy with material quality that measured up to Saab, Honda, or VW standards. To be honest, I’d have been happy if it could go over an expansion joint with the same quiet compliance as a Citroen C5.

No - Lancia seems to think that an extra bit of legroom in the rear (without any additional head or shoulder-room, I might add), an extra bit of boot space, some bits of faux-chrome trim and a generous options list is enough to turn a run-of-the-mill Fiat hatchback into something you’d pay £20,000 for.

You’d have to be either foaming at the mouth, or so nationalistic an Italian that you only eat tricolore pasta in green, white and red, to pay £20k for this car.

It’s a crying shame, because Lancia deserves to succeed. It deserves to be invested in; to be managed by someone who appreciates its pioneering history (Lancia pioneered independent suspension, the five-speed gearbox, the first V6 car engine and the first V4). It deserves to become Italy’s answer to Audi, Jaguar and Lexus; to be developed without regard for the consequences on Alfa Romeo, Maserati, or any other part of the Fiat Group.

But that will clearly take more money, more vision and more effort than Fiat itself is prepared to give it. And it can’t be achieved using Turin’s leftovers.

Until yesterday I was – as a confirmed Lancia fan – looking forwards to the reintroduction of the brand to Britain. Now I’m dreading it.

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About Matt Saunders

Career started in a mk III Jaguar that conveyed him home from the maternity ward. At Autocar since 2003, he says he's enjoyed every minute - especially the hairy ones.

Comments

Berlinabloke June 12, 2008 5:17 PM

Disaster waiting to happen. Fiat are (again) doing to Lancia what ARG did to Rover - cheapening the brand.

Having said that, Lancia means didly squat to most in the UK anyway - except rust. It has little kudos to most - so why not just build a great car and leave the rest to history. I say this as a Fulvia owner and a great Lancia enthusiast.

montgomery June 12, 2008 11:55 PM

Personally I would like Lancia to take a different direction from this with the new Delta. But it got a very positive review from Gavin Greeen in another less anti-Italian UK publication...

David Harrington-Wright June 13, 2008 12:15 PM

Maybe the car the Gavin Green drove had been specially "fettled" - easy enough to do on one car in advance, but when you have a load of journos arriving you could not do it with a load of cars - hence the difference in opinion.

Having read Gavins reports for many years I cannot (or would not want to imagine) that any pressure could be put on him to write a favourable review, for if that came to light surely his career would be in ruins?

xxalfaxx June 13, 2008 1:56 PM

mr matt saunders

i'm  "an Italian that you only eat tricolore pasta in green, white and red" like u wrote on ur's "article" and i'm very surprise about the tone that u used..

Politeness is an optional for u, and maybe u haven't money to buy it..

fensaddler June 13, 2008 5:28 PM

Matt - I think your disappointment is overwhelming your objectivity.  This is a cracking looking car.  I've crawled all over it at Geneva, and it oozes class and style.  Sure - I was looking at the wonderful leatherwork and less at the odd misaligned plastic panel in a footwell, but overall, this looks the business.  And IMHO the seats were wonderfully comfortable, and the driving position fine.

Moreover, lets get real - according to your article, this is a £19.5k car for the top diesel with 180+bhp (not sure on your prices incidentally, since conversion of the published Italian prices at the prevailing Euro:sterling rate suggests nearer £23k for this engine), with really good emissions, plenty of space, a good kit list, and real individuality and style.  What on earth do you expect for your money - what else on the market realistically offers all of that for that sort of money?  I'd wager its a short list, and includes nothing from certain prestige German marques, who would want another £10k at least of your hard earned.  The top spec diesel Bravo comes in at around £16-17k (retail) so for another £3k or so the Delta is adding more space, better spec, and a lot more engine.  That seems a pretty reasonable deal to me.

I have a circa £20k budget for a company motor.  I presently run (not out of choice) a 1 series BMW which is awful - cramped, basic and ill-equipped, with low rent materials and godawful switchgear.  Compared to this mediocre car, the Delta looks a wonderful prospect, and prices and specs allowing, I will be choosing one over the Octavias and Leons already on my shortlist (you see, I'm not hung up on badges...).  If the 1.9 twin turbo diesel you tested, I assume with at least mid range Oro spec since you mention leather seats, comes in at £19.5k next summer, I for one will be requesting my Finance Director to bite the hand off the nearest Lancia dealer on my behalf.  And for that money I'd still settle for a lesser engine, and live with my wretched Beemer for six months longer than I have to in waiting for the Delta to arrive.

lanciarally June 13, 2008 7:00 PM

I think it's a great car - in every way.  Pity it's called a Delta though.  That carries so much passion and rally heritage.  Most people posting here are on about the greatness of the car having tested it - which I don't doubt for a minute.

But when you call a car "Delta" after an abscence that has been eagerly awaited for years, you're going to disappoint people if it doesn't fulfil expectations of such a brand.  Hell, Deltas are still unbeaten in their 6-year WRC run.

And for those people that don't know about rallying heritage or think Lancias last car great car was Fangios D50 - or sadly remember the "R" word, the car doesn't grab your "discerning customer" with any single feature to hang your hat on apart from (in my view) refreshingly new and different looks.  Will that sell TONS of cars?  I wonder.  I hope so - but as Matt says - I'm dredding it.

Alternatively, if there is a change of heart VERY SOON and we get behind a new Stratos, Fulvia or some sort of Motorsport... then happy days.  Olivier Francois:  Be brave. Appreciate the passion. See www.historiclanciarally.it to remind yourself.  I hear even Renault Alpine are coming back.  I don't think that'll be a 5 door hatch with jolly exciting turbo diesels.

xxalfaxx June 13, 2008 10:29 PM

@lanciarally - u didn't remember the real lancia delta of the 1979... u only remember delta "evoluzione" that was born 8 years later, in the 1987 and that was another thing

fensaddler June 14, 2008 6:41 PM

Absolutely - the original Delta, and I know because I have an '88 1.3LX in my garage, was a small/medium luxury car, with lovely sharp lines.  The Evo is another beast altogether, though they share a remarkable number of panels and interior trim.  The Delta was conceived as a luxury small saloon, not as a rally special.  its rather a pity that the original car has been rather forgotten.  Evo or not, its still a good name, and one which Lancia used for a subsequent 1990s mid-size hatchback which never made it to the UK.

lanciarally June 16, 2008 5:24 PM

xxalfaxx:   I know Rome wasn't built in a day...

But Lancia then is not Lancia now. If you were looking at the new 1.3 in showrooms, you might have just switched the TV off from seeing them compete in motosport with Betas, Fulvia, Stratos or 037.  Of course when 1986 S4 came, the name "Delta" was never going to be weak.  For years after the S4, the name "Delta" meant huge motorsport success.

Therefore if you bought a small 5-door 2-box back then, you still felt you had a motorsport brand behind the name.  The HF FWD - which really looked like the road car bar the round lamps and some holes in the bonnet.

Now?  The name is back. But the motorsport heritage is still back in 1993 when Lancia retired from motorsport.

Buying a Lancia in the early 1980s was like buying a Renault, Peugeot, Citroen, BMW, SEAT etc etc now.  They're all active in some sort of motorsport.   Lancia?

If the rumours about getting back into motorsport are true - maybe people will cut the new Delta some slack and believe the revival is the start of great things.

Jeremy Clarkson still thinks about the Deltas "Sega Rally" ludicrously desirable performance and cars built by people that love cars.

If we end up with a jolly nice car - well..... there are lots of them there already.

xxalfaxx June 17, 2008 6:22 PM

Lanciarally- you don't know the history of Lancia..

The Delta of 1979 was based on Fiat Ritmo, and the Lancia Thema was based on Fiat Croma.

Now the new delta was based on Fiat Bravo, the history is the same

The last real Lancia was the Fulvia..

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